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Hello everyone,

 

I have had some odd behavior happening with my 6000xp inverter specifically on the charging once the battery reaches max voltage. For reference I am using a lithium-Ion battery (14s 51.2v nominal) with 6000 watts of useable storage that has a 100 amp bms. While I do realize that my battery a bit under sized for my setup the Inverter should still handle these issues better.

With charge settings at 58.8volt max and 58.0v float.. The follow occurs: The pack charges normally until voltage hit 58.5-58.8 ever so breifly then charging stops for about 2-3 seconds then charge ramps back to full utilizing all available PV. Ramp up takes about a few seconds until max voltage is hit again then repeats..  

In attempts to negate this behavior I lowered the max voltage to 58 and float to 57.5.. This setting is better behaved however at times I do still see pulse charging ie. input charge drops by upto 500 watts then back to full in 3-5 second intervals. Again for reference my bms app updates in 1 second intervals. 

 

Now while the charging annoying and does not seem to follow a proper CC/CV charging profile the second issue is much worse.

On the discharging side of things.. I have my On Grid EOD Voltage set to 48 volts. Also not having a settable return to battery voltage field makes this huge problem even more so in the winter. Once the battery pack discharges to low state sub 20% capacity remaining a 1500-2000 watt load does make the battery voltage sag a good amount usually around 1-1.5 volts depending on the draw. With lithium-ion the voltage curve is not as flat as Lifep04 batteries and also after the load is removed the battery pack does recover upto 2 volts in many cases. 

The behavior I have been seeing is as follows: battery reaches 48v. Inverter transfers to grid and now that the load is off the battery voltage increases to 49-49.5 or 50V in cases of heavy loads removed. battery creeps back to 51v and Inverter transfers back to battery and the cycle repeats.. Usually this cycle happens once every 5 to 10 minutes until the last 10-15 amp hours of the battery has been used and does not recover to 51 volts. With this being winter time my mini-split will use more power at night and as the battery gets lower I have seen this cycle be as low as 5 seconds. This 5 second cycling has occurred at least 3 times in which I had to step in and change discharge settings.

In an attempt to stop this cycling effect I have enable ac charging to start at 48v and stop at 57v with a charge setting of 1 amp. 

 

I have had a 6000xp for about 10 months. The first unit fine for about 3-4 months then developed an issue an was rma'ed after extensive back and forth. The first unit did show the charging issues from above however I did not see the discharge to grid issues. I will also say the first unit was on the previous firmware from the current as of today except for the last week before the RMA. 

My current unit has always been on this latest firmware.

 

I would like to hear what the expect behavior should be for both of my issues.

 

Thanks

Jared Spires

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Posted by: @jareds

For reference I am using a lithium-Ion battery (14s 51.2v nominal) with 6000 watts of useable storage that has a 100 amp bms. While I do realize that my battery a bit under sized for my setup the Inverter should still handle these issues better.With charge settings at 58.8volt max and 58.0v float..

 

the battery BMS is trying to protect itself from over voltage. your setpoints are too high. read thru your battery manual carefully to see what recommended setpoints are.... probably along these lines:

for 14s, the bulk charge should be no higher than 3.65vpc * 14 = 51.1

float = 14 * 3.5 = 49.0

eq=float, time=0, days=0

set battery type= lead acid, manage by voltage (not SOC), and disconnect CAN communication

 

...

 

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Hello Jared, 

If you don't mind, can you share what you have set for the Float charge and Bulk charge?

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As stated above bulk at 58.8v float at 58v would cause stop start cycling.. Currently I have it set to bulk at 58v and float at 57.5v.

 

Thanks,

Jared

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@jareds I can confirm that using batteries in series can sometimes cause issues with the inverter, leading to abnormal operation.

Regarding charging, once the battery reaches the float charge level, the inverter will continue to charge it up to the set charge voltage.

As for discharging, the unusual voltage behavior is likely related to the use of batteries in series. The voltage recovering is not normal with our systems. We don't normally have reports of this happening when batteries are being used that are supported by this inverter. 

Do you have an equalizer or balancer for the batteries?

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@eric Thanks for the reply. I am confused by your statement "I can confirm that using batteries in series can sometimes cause issues with the inverter, leading to abnormal operation". I am only using a single battery pack.. any 48V battery pack will be made up of a grouping of cells usually 14 or 16 in series. This would lead me to believe that any battery pack could cause abnormal operation.

"The voltage recovering is not normal with our systems" This have nothing to do with the inverter. Any battery pack under load will have a sag in voltage. The recovery part is largely due to the battery chemistry Lithium-Ion in my case. Also the larger the pack the less this will happen due to slower charge and discharge. 

Yes the battery pack does have a balancer. In normal conditions the pack has less than 10 mVolt (0.010 volts) deviation between cells.

I have only seen the above discharge behavior while we where having very low temperatures. This makes me question if this could be a side affect of the unit operating near the low side of it's operation range.

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Just for clarity my battery pack is using a single 100 amp bms that has active balancing with 14 3.7volt nominal cells in series. This is no different than an eg4 server rack battery with 16 3.2v nominal lifep04 cells with a single bms.

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(@bobro)
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I am having this exact same problem. I would like to disable grid charging completely, but when I attempt to disable in setting 14, it won't disable. What am I doing wrong?

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Eric
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@bobro Have you tried through the app or EG4 monitor website?

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Did you get thus resolved Jared? In setting #6 Ic: maximum charge current you set down to 1 amp? (Utility  + solar) it says. Do you know if you can set only Utility to 1 amp but allow solar at higher amperage?

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